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(previous post deleted and restated) @jp – interesting data. It very much looks like up to early October the solar was delivering enough power for the system.
Then with the seasons solar changing, the solar panel aspect is not delivering the power needed
What I would recommend is a) need to charge up the internal LiIon 4.4Ahr battery
- b) try and get more solar power
for a) my choice is the plentiful USB battery pack which can supply at least the 4Ahr at 5V. Your choice of Lithium primary batteries is also good – Li Primary have a good discharge characteristic – meaning 4 batteries at 6V would supply most of their power before dying. Alkaline and standard Carbon Zinc decay to about half the voltage when supplying their current.
However the AA Alkaline are rate at 3Ahr so probably a good boost to a partially dischatged 4.4Ahr battery
b) So anything you can do to help out a better solar aspect – less shade would help, and solar panels are best set at an optimal 45 degress or more from horizontal, but depends on the type of solar bracket. Winter sun is the more challenging, so best optimized for that – but I haven’t had much luck with low cost brackets to be able to do that.
An upgrade of the solar panel that is under 10V open circuit and at least 2.5W ~ another option https://voltaicsystems.com/3-5-watt-panel/ and of course the range https://voltaicsystems.com/small-solar-panels/ And also some same manufacturer here https://www.adafruit.com/product/5367
I’d be interested in what the software that you are using,
Particularly see what it thinks it is doing with low battery V – which results in what I’ve labeled as “Unmanaged Power Demand”. Its pretty amazing it still manages to get enough power to broadcast over the modem. The .csv file from the uSD would tell more of a story of what is happening when it resets.
This would be my analysis of the battery voltage readings from the site
<p style=”background: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin: 0in 0in .25in 0in;”><span style=”font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Roboto; color: black;”>(I’m still analyzing my systems as to the gap that I’ve labeled “MMW System wide data loss”)</span></p>deleted and restated below
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Hi @jp – I only install 2.5W or for a shady location I upgrade to 10W. Can you share the site that is publishing on, and can see how fast the power went down.
The non recharge batteries could work – but you need to do a lot more power calculations to understand how long they will work. 4 batteries (4*1.6V =6V) will work for a boost plugged into USB-C, or a special connector instead of the Li-Ion – but then you need (3 * 1.6V = 4.8V) … , and probably D cells better options
My first suggestion is for you to get a USB Power Pack and just recharge the internal Li-Ion – I purchased this option a 10AHr USB, “10000mAh Dual USB Portable Charger, ”
and with a USB C cable plugged it into the Mayfly 1.1 – that recharged the LiIon battery in 2 hours
See https://monitormywatershed.org/sites/TUCA_Mi03/ battery Voltage – from Oct 1st. With the change in season there was less solar its deep in a Redwood forest The voltage declned from 4.125V and to about3.83V. At 3.8V my software stops it from transmitting readings. I was on site Nov 8, and plugged in the USB Power pack at 11:30 and it fully charged the 4.4Ahr battery by 13:00 – 90minutes. Then I also upgraded the panel to a 10W panel.
This was the context of the system. I align the solar panel to SW, but there was a lot of trees at that aspect, and with winter the solar aspect was decreasing.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/HMi5TDmh6n2rYdzA6
Though after the above I moved the solar panel to 15′ away, and then upgraded the 2.5W to 10W solar panel – which gets enough dappled ambient for an hour or so to boost the battery enough
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An update – I’ve found I2C bugs in some of the ST3100’s devices – that I couldn’t get a work around. It may be to do with the AVR I2C master. Some other engineers are using it with an STM32 / ARM system that they aren’t seeing the same problem https://github.com/neilh10/STC3100arduino/issues/1
From using the STC3100 – https://monitormywatershed.org/sites/TUCA_PO03/ I’ve come to the conclusion better to have an IC that also includes a battery capacity algorithm.
@jp thanks for sharing – power is a challenge when there isn’t enough of it. Finding enough power for your systems is the easiest step, – that is upsizing the solar panels, and ensuring they have enough solar aspect this time of year.
Just wondering, what is the standard kit that you have and source- sounds like you have the Mayfly 1.1 – what is the solar panel ? and battery ? and/or sensors
Cycling green and red leds is usually an indicator that its continually going through reset, Its NOT getting enough power to complete startup and then probably fails when invoking a heaver user – probably the modem. In short, IHMO, the ModularSensors architecture doesn’t do power demand management. That is it assumes there is enough power to get through the power up stage. I’ve talked about it extensively and come up with my own software to handle edge “reliability conditions”, and is available for anybody to use. https://github.com/neilh10/ModularSensors/wiki/1a-Feature-notes
An easy fix, if you are visiting the site, is to take a USB power pack with you, and then with an appropriate cable (Mayfly 1.x is USB-C) plug it in and boost the local Lithium Ion battery. However this can take a couple of hours, and the USB Power packs I have turn off when full charged the local battery, and then never turn back on – until unplugged.
This is a good conversation to have, so please share the details.
Seems like this might have broken, and I’ve created an issue https://github.com/ODM2/ODM2DataSharingPortal/issues/682
Wow nice to see the pictures and mechanical detail. I always find that a challenge to get integrated early – mostly because I’m doing everthing. Is it part of an open source project? sounds like its for a specific translator/extender fiber optics to copper RS485/RS23 In looking over the Rpi PICO, while an amazing processor with program stored in a serial flash device, seemed like there wasn’t a lot of serial peripherals only 2 UARTs . At least for me that was show stopper.
I’ve just posted on a project I’ve been chipping away at https://www.envirodiy.org/topic/using-samd51-wio-terminal/ and it has the USB drivers for the drag and drop bootloader programming with the .uf2 file :), which hopefully can also be good for remote OTP (over the air programming)
@vogelrnws I wonder how its going. I see that Teensy is moving to a Teensy4.0 CortexM7
The Mayfly 1.1 is great for powering options – but it does mean understanding the tradeoffs.
For an FTDI cable, for debug monitoring of the Mayfly this is what I do – https://github.com/neilh10/ModularSensors/wiki/Test-Equipment-FTDI-cable
I also cut some pins to make it a “monitoring cable” that won’t cause a reset when the FTDI USB is plugged in to the monitoring computer. But only do that when you follow how the download works.
When programming the Mayfly I always use the USBC cable, and insure I disconnect the FTDI monitoring cable – as technically they are doing the same job and may fight (electrically speaking)
I would think +12V could also be provided to the Mayfly 1.1 Solar2 socket. All possible options – but only if you follow how the circuits work. Using Solar2 would allow the USB-c to be used with the terminal.
I use the board with a solar panel, and so it always has a LiPo 4.4Ahr battery plugged in. On the test bench with LiPo I don’t always need the external power, unless the battery needs charging. 🙂
Many thanks got it. I appreciate the effort and detail that goes into producing a new production run. The pogo pin connector is great and so simple.
Got the .pdf – I copied the .jpg instead of more intelligently clicking it to get the .pdf!
Just wondering if you have any thoughts on changing the Vbat Rs to 1M / 270K for better noise immunity. It wouldn’t change the functionality, only provide a cleaner Vbat measurement . I can provide you some technical references on pop corn noise in higher value R if its of interest. https://github.com/EnviroDIY/EnviroDIY_Mayfly_Logger/issues/36
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